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A Clarification on Clan Rules
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MadHatHacker (Banned) 24th Mar 2015

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So, before we get started here, let me just reiterate something in a manner that should make my stance on this ridiculously clear:


Now that I've broken the caps rule, let's talk about the caps rule! When I first joined this clan, it was after a fall from grace with a competitive clan with rather stringent rules. It was a soft landing, and I'm grateful for the friends I've made here, so an incident that took place this morning was somewhat concerning. 

Suffice to say, an individual used caps, was given a polite warning, and countered with a series responses containing expletives that started an escalation that lead to his ultimately being removed from the ranks of SSI. 

I am not assigning blame, let me make that clear. However, I think clarification would be a good idea, and ultimately I think the rule itself is somewhat ambiguous. Ultimately, utilizing capitalization can be a stylistic tool, and while it can be annoying, it is not necessarily something that should be a punishable offense. 

Capitalization can be used to represent a wide variety of emotions, from anger, surprise, outrage, and disbelief, all of which have difficulty being represented via text. Sometimes, it can be difficult to understand when the usage is for valid reasons, and when the usage of capitalization is both the ends and the mean. 

Writing every usage of capitalization off as trolling is ultimately both ridiculous and potentially more problematic than the trolling itself; I myself have gotten private, polite warnings for the stylistic usage of capitalization. And while I appreciate that the warnings were delivered in the manner that they were, I feel that an effort should be made to discern between spamming caps lock and using it at certain points to convey a degree of emotion in text. 

Ultimately, these rules are in place for a reason, and while it is not my place to question the decisions made by leadership, I can't honestly say that it doesn't bother me when I see something that concerns me. So, in spite of my position outside of leadership, I would like to politely request that there be some manner of discussion regarding and hopefully resolving the ambiguity present in the current rules regarding the usage of caps lock. 

Y'ALL NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE CAPITALIZATION CLAUSE (capitalization used stylistically to represent a sense of urgency)

PS: Good lord that was more ridiculously formal than most of the correspondence I have with my employers and my absentee parents. 

Everything Ash can do Loki does better.

Last Edit: 24th Mar 2015 by MadHatHacker
SSI_GG (on PS4 - B6E6L6I) 24th Mar 2015

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The rules are there for a reason. Like Proxy said "EXCESSIVE" use of them.
In all chats in all the games/internet websites etc..... there are admins that "control" the chat so it wont look like a football game where everyone is yelling whatever they want.

Clan chat is for asking assistance; help; information etc...... when you wrote in caps ok (1 word; 1 sentence) but if you take 3 rows of caps so others cant see when members are needing help or hosting something then you will be warned (and warned in clan chat so others can see that we will not tolerated breaking the rules)

I warned him politely like I try to warn all our members who break the rules (all staff members try to). And he wasnt kicked b/c of the caps, he was kicked b/c he "politely" told me to go "like" myself (and then called me a pimp !? b/c I treated him like my little b.... Then he continue to pm me with language that is not tolerated and I responded: thank you and I wish everything good in your future and the future of your next clan. And maybe you didnt know but that wasnt his first warning from the staff member. Again I dont like to kick any player from the clan (like none of our staff like it) but rules are there for a reason and If you cant fallow them then idk why somebody would ask for and invite in the clan (it clearly says on our forums and recruitment page what rules we got). We are casual clan BUT we are not that casual that we wont fallow our own rules. And I think that is clear to all.

If you got any more questions please post them so we can clarify them all

Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Balerion84 24th Mar 2015

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If you start screaming with Caps Lock in chat (and chat is not a novel, so your 'stylistic tool' argument isn't going to work here), you should be punched in the face. Alas, apparently we can't do that (I blame the technology for not allowing us this swift distribution of justice for capslocking), so we have to do with a warning.

Love & peace

SSI_GG (on PS4 - B6E6L6I) 24th Mar 2015

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There is no need for caps even for emergencies. Our members have done this for close to 2 years now (1 more month ) and if you need help just ask: "need help fast on this and this". And we will help
Simple as that.

Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

MadHatHacker (Banned) 24th Mar 2015

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Well, I guess that cap's out of the bag...

Anyway, since I suppose there's no longer a point in maintaining anonymity regarding the admin's name, I suppose my next questions will address statements made by GG:

Quote he was kicked b/c he "politely" told me to go "like" myself
I remember how he said it, and politely is not the word I would use. If you are referencing my statement about an individual being polite, it was actually referencing your response. The language the individual in question used was over the top, uncalled for, and generally intolerable given the format of this clan.

As for capitalization not being a stylistic tool, I must admit to a degree of prejudice in this regard; as someone who writes both prose and poetry and has friends who are writers, the manner in which I communicate in clan chat is directly representative of my environment. There are frequent instances where I do use stylistic and rhetorical language tools like hyperbole, rhetorical speech, and selective usage of capital letters. It's just a byproduct of the way I write everywhere else. Read my blogs on the wiki if you're curious about my writing style, but I suspect that's ultimately irrelevant.

Quote1 word; 1 sentence
This is what I was looking for, honestly. One capitalized word for every sentence is a quantifiable standard, and while your statement about the player's from the clan is ultimately correct, from what I saw it was his opinion that he was being expected to follow an arbitrary or disagreeable rule that lead to the outburst after the fact.

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It shouldn't be too hard to jury rig one of these in the manner done here...
http://www.instructables. ... t-Controlled-RC-Car/ order to ensure that everyone can be punched in the face on command. Just make the possession of an operational prototype a clan prerequisite and then map individual clan members' IGN's to their respective MAC addresses, IP addresses, etc. Hell, you could even use a program or algorithm to detect punchable offenses and then use the output to automate the process, assigning another daemon the responsibility of doling out punches based on the incoming data.

Everything Ash can do Loki does better.

Legend 25th Mar 2015

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Quoteblahbalhbahl... yadada... mhmm... ypuyupyu.. etc.

im honestly not sure if you're just trying to take the piss out of the warlords or trying help the situation.

Regardless of your "articulate" background and the what not. The rules are in place to protect and maintain social and marine life harmony. It's pretty simple and there is no catch to it. Follow the rules. If you don't like them then by all means leave.

I'm not having a crack at you but from what I've wasted my life away reading is a lot fighting over a simple rule(s). 

Don't use excessive amounts of caps in chat = its annoying and inconsiderate to be frank.
Dont be a dick = who likes dicks? bar girls and maybe shift

It isnt that hard? 

Round and round the wheel of life goes... where it stops nobody knows... but theres one thing i do know... and it's that i'll be happy where ever i go...

Last Edit: 25th Mar 2015 by Legend
MadHatHacker (Banned) 25th Mar 2015

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I would like to think it is the latter as opposed to the former, but... I suppose this is not the case.

I'd like to request a thread lock, if that is permissible.

TUMBLR LOGIC COMPELS ME ... onfucius#Not_Chinese

Everything Ash can do Loki does better.

Last Edit: 25th Mar 2015 by MadHatHacker
Balerion84 25th Mar 2015

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Well, it's all fine and dandy that you write prose, poetry, blogs and/or food labels (one of these might be a joke) but as I said, chat is not a novel. Chat is a written form of communication and capslocking is not only annoying, but in written communication caps lock translates to screaming, thanks to its IN THE FACE style.

I'm pretty sure you don't appreciate people screaming in your face while having a discussion with them in real life and chat is the same thing in different form.

That's why there's a rule for excessive use of caps lock. If you are unsure what excessive is (since that's quite a relative term), always imagine that your are screaming when using capslock (or all-capital words/sentences) and then put yourself on the opposite side of it and you should be fine.

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